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TangledSwerve
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Re: Player abuse

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LostKnight wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:44 pm Slight misquote of what
Leone wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:18 am Name and shame: Herrero

I wonder if the rules around dragging spawn onto pets need revisiting? How many posts on this forum are about this issue?

Currently:
Dragging spawn onto players ❌
Dragging spawn onto pets

It's an odd one to reconcile.
I would support revisiting of this the rule 100%

Spawn killing players is not allowed, spawn killing their pets is.
This does not compute!

They BOTH fit directly under Rule 9.

Rule 9.
Reducing game-playing experience of others!

↑↑ I do not even have to go past the title of the rule to see why I believe this is true.

Killing a person's, $$ or Shop, pets on purpose IS reducing their game-playing experience!

- yes, yes, I know proof it was intentional is needed and I would accept that in a flash rather than a flat statement: Pets are the owners responsibility.

Scenario: You have a "comfortable" spawn going, just as you are surrounded a guy drags a huge spawn over. You can't run, you are surrounded, no way out and being attacked, you can't log instantly; the spawn plus the others being dragged over will kill you and/or your pets in the 11 second pause it takes to log since you are currently under attack.

IMHO: This is a case of these people taking advantage of the 11 second log off time to kill you and/or your pets. And there is nothing you can do about it.

Reading Rule 9 I see:
{snip} This includes spawn-killing {snip}

It does not say players only! It simply states: spawn-killing.

Therefore I say again: I would support revisiting of this rule 100%

BUT it looks like Herrero could possibly fall under Rule 9b:

Rule 9 b.
Harassment

Do not report this rule lightly! False reports of this rule may be punished as well.
{snip}, excessive hunting of the player, excessive threats of the player, extortion, blackmail, excessive messaging a player, excessive taunting of a player, and mainly excessive breakage of rule 9.{snip}

- with due investigation of course.

Gut feeling: Herrero has been told about this and will be laying low!


He hasn't been on, as far as I've seen. And promptly vanished from both maps when I returned to gather /info
So, yes. I believe they are lying low, as you say.

As for the rules, I'd say what he has been doing is almost certainly within the remit of 9b.
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Re: Player abuse

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To play devil's advocate here, I believe dragging spawn onto pets is allowed in clan vs clan pvp. I know this isn't the case in this thread but it will undoubtedly be used as an excuse in other scenarios.
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Re: Player abuse

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Leone wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:32 pm To play devil's advocate here, I believe dragging spawn onto pets is allowed in clan vs clan pvp. I know this isn't the case in this thread but it will undoubtedly be used as an excuse in other scenarios.
Never been able to find any rules for clan vs clan wars/PvP

However a guy dragging a spawn over after being denied $$ pets hardly qualifies even if HE is in a clan. I'm make a wager he was not within the -3 to +3 area as well.
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Re: Player abuse

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Oh - I agree. Clanned dragging onto non-clanned should be treated the same way as non-clanned dragging onto non-clanned.
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Re: Player abuse

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LostKnight wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:39 pm
Leone wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:32 pm To play devil's advocate here, I believe dragging spawn onto pets is allowed in clan vs clan pvp. I know this isn't the case in this thread but it will undoubtedly be used as an excuse in other scenarios.
Never been able to find any rules for clan vs clan wars/PvP

However a guy dragging a spawn over after being denied $$ pets hardly qualifies even if HE is in a clan. I'm make a wager he was not within the -3 to +3 area as well.
While clan-v-clan pvp allows some "sketchy" tactics (at least to some point), at no point in the rules is an allowance for spawn killing of players or pets given. None.
If such is to be considered "legal" tactics in clan warfare, the rule needs reviewed by the GMs and updated. If it is NOT to be allowed for such, the lack of exemption should be posted just as much. Clarification (one way or another) will help all of FT.

As for repeated behavior in such a manner from a non-clanned acct, it is pathetic in the extreme. I'll be watching for him, clanned or not, outlaw or not. Let the games begin.
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Re: Player abuse

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I missed the last message on page 2 of this thread: witch caught him red handed, but alas, the hard way.

Sorry for your pets witch :(

But really, spawn killing a GM's pets!
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Re: Player abuse

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witch wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:00 pm we all know pets are our responsability , and we need to keep an eye on them all the time , always check the little corner left map if you see red dots coming at you its time to run and find a safe place for you and your pets or log out but with enough time because your character stays in the game for about 10 seconds after you log , do not waste time taking a pic or a video , find a safe place and then report , log in after 5 minutes till the extra monsters dissappear .
Im really sorry for your pet i know the felling because i lost pets like this before , i understand your anger because pets cost you real money.
We are working hard to punish this kind of players now pics and videos are not always good evidence , we spend hrs looking at this videos , and many of the cases they're just trying to survive or a high lv have to walk close to you . And i have to mention this i saw many ppl parking pets close to a person who is spawing lot of monsters thinking like 'oh this guy will take care of my pet while im walking down to another map "(sadly no ,not all people are nice ) so please do not do that .
Its not easy to punish spawn-killers because we need to catch them doing this and as i said evidence is not always good.
I know this wont give you your pets back , but like i said we are working hard and every report you make we take it seriously and we open and investigation so last night i caught him doing this again exactly the way you said "spawed a fairy and spiders and brough them right infront of me " oh! Big mistake ! He killed my pets but its ok because this time i saw him . he'll be punish according to rule 9 spawn-killing .
I really appreciate you & the other GMs got on the case, Witch, thank you. As I mentioned it became a greater concern that he was repeat offender of this act, rather the loss of my own pets itself. It's the sort of abusive behaviour that has the potential to put off players from investing in the game, if not leave entirely.
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Re: Player abuse

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Ese jugador Herrero, me intentó hacer lo mismo cuando yo adquirí mis adas a nivel 380. Me trajo gusanos y me atacó con cuchillos.

Se quien es él.
Edikkof o algo similar es su cuenta principal.

Ya veo que le gusta hacer estas cosas al chico. Se siente inferior parace
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Re: Player abuse

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Terminator, dices que es difícil de investigar?

Que debería aportar capturas de pantalla? Jejejeje

Entonces mientras toma captura. Te quedas sin mascotas seguro.

Un poco de coherencia por Dios!
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Re: Player abuse

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Acabo de leer a Bruja , ya veo que lo pillaste. BRAVO !

Sé que él es Edikkof o algo similar. Cuando lo vea, te diré lo caracteres exactos. Hurra por Bruja!
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