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Re: Downgrade Gear

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Arashiko wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:57 am Alternatively alter the quest to accept a +1 or +2 item in lieu of the missing +0 item.
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Nahgus wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:04 am
Arashiko wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:57 am Alternatively alter the quest to accept a +1 or +2 item in lieu of the missing +0 item.
Yes this would be very good
This I like as well.

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Arashiko wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:57 am Alternatively alter the quest to accept a +1 or +2 item in lieu of the missing +0 item.
The issue with this is that +x variants have separate item IDs themselves. While coding OR arguments into Java or Smali is a simple enough task, only Compbatant knows if the FT engine could support them for quests. Also, every quest that requires gear to complete would have to be rewritten to add these changes. Not the portion that we read, but the quest mechanisms BEHIND them. A daunting task, to say the least.
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madmaniacal1 wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:17 pm
Arashiko wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:57 am Alternatively alter the quest to accept a +1 or +2 item in lieu of the missing +0 item.
The issue with this is that +x variants have separate item IDs themselves. While coding OR arguments into Java or Smali is a simple enough task, only Compbatant knows if the FT engine could support them for quests. Also, every quest that requires gear to complete would have to be rewritten to add these changes. Not the portion that we read, but the quest mechanisms BEHIND them. A daunting task, to say the least.
I see your point. I think my 2 craft options might work best - less coding changes for compbatant
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Re: Downgrade Gear

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Humble_M wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:45 pm
madmaniacal1 wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:17 pm
Arashiko wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:57 am Alternatively alter the quest to accept a +1 or +2 item in lieu of the missing +0 item.
The issue with this is that +x variants have separate item IDs themselves. While coding OR arguments into Java or Smali is a simple enough task, only Compbatant knows if the FT engine could support them for quests. Also, every quest that requires gear to complete would have to be rewritten to add these changes. Not the portion that we read, but the quest mechanisms BEHIND them. A daunting task, to say the least.
I see your point. I think my 2 craft options might work best - less coding changes for compbatant
There's no easy way to do this. Simple? yes. Easy? Depends on the frame of reference.

Making a quest NPC to change +x into +0 might work, but each item they can change has to be coded as a separate quest.

Making crafts accept +x variants may not even be possible, Idk.

Making a "shop" interface where the player places in a +x and gets a +0 (for a fee) may well be the easiest, if such an interface was added to FT (client update would be required, after testing).
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Mind you, I'm only giving these ideas on the premise that Comp would want it changed. Players grinding/questing to get hard-to-obtain items is kinda the point of an RPG. Many pets and lvls are bought to make such grinds easier, so he may well wish to leave all as it is.

Only the input of Compbatant can clarify his stance on such.
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madmaniacal1 wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:11 pm
Humble_M wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:45 pm
madmaniacal1 wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:17 pm

The issue with this is that +x variants have separate item IDs themselves. While coding OR arguments into Java or Smali is a simple enough task, only Compbatant knows if the FT engine could support them for quests. Also, every quest that requires gear to complete would have to be rewritten to add these changes. Not the portion that we read, but the quest mechanisms BEHIND them. A daunting task, to say the least.
I see your point. I think my 2 craft options might work best - less coding changes for compbatant
There's no easy way to do this. Simple? yes. Easy? Depends on the frame of reference.

Making a quest NPC to change +x into +0 might work, but each item they can change has to be coded as a separate quest.

Making crafts accept +x variants may not even be possible, Idk.

Making a "shop" interface where the player places in a +x and gets a +0 (for a fee) may well be the easiest, if such an interface was added to FT (client update would be required, after testing).
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Mind you, I'm only giving these ideas on the premise that Comp would want it changed. Players grinding/questing to get hard-to-obtain items is kinda the point of an RPG. Many pets and lvls are bought to make such grinds easier, so he may well wish to leave all as it is.

Only the input of Compbatant can clarify his stance on such.
I'm all for hard work...but why get "penalized" for good fortune?

Also, FT already has at least one quest where, once completed, the NPC can "improve" a +0 item into its +1/+2 counterpart. The framework is already in place to do the reverse!
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Re: Downgrade Gear

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Humble_M wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:25 pm Also, FT already has at least one quest where, once completed, the NPC can "improve" a +0 item into its +1/+2 counterpart. The framework is already in place to do the reverse!
That quest uses the most basic quest mechanic:
Give item [a] (the +0)
Give gold or item (depending on quest)
Receive item [c] (the +x variants)

In order to do the opposite (+x variants to +0), a separate quest for each +1 AND +2 item would have to be written, and even then, a problem exists. If you have multiple +x items with you (like a 250+2 and a 500+1, for example), but only want to change 1 of them, how would the quest know what to change? To sort that out, each (+0) item would likely need it's own NPC. If that were the case, you could populate an entire map with NPCs for such. Far too much...
There must be a better way to accomplish this, if it's to be done.
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madmaniacal1 wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:17 pm
Arashiko wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:57 am Alternatively alter the quest to accept a +1 or +2 item in lieu of the missing +0 item.
,only Compbatant knows if the FT engine could support them for quests.
Hellooo? No. Lol that's just very simple, add a comma and one number more 😂😂 not need to be a genius.
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