Account Sharing

[Mike McGuire]

Info and would like answers and help here.... For around 12 months I have shared my acc now and to be fair if your a mod or admin reading this and you didn't know your probably well under educated in the ft world. I am not a 12 year old giving my pass out to anyone. I have formed a real friendship with the people involved speak daily and I took the risk of spending all that money and letting the people play. I have no issues of thinking my acc will ever be stolen by the party. So. To all those people who do share their accounts if the person you let use your acc e.g.sibling, friend at school or neighbour and you trust this person 100% and can bet your life on it you shouldn't have a problem here.

But like I've said before to stop account theft make a "recover account" tab in app and security questions there will recover your account to the original account creator would only know. Less acc stealing issues less acc hacking issues. Less problems for admins less problems on General.

Would like admins input to all this please..

[Asmodeous]

Thats pretty well said. I had a look over rules. It says this

Buying, selling, trading or sharing accounts is not permitted. Under certain circumstances, these actions are punishable. You will likely lose the involved account(s), and possibly all your accounts if theft was involved with any of them. So if you buy a character, which has been stolen before, you have a problem!

That kinda contradicts rule 6 though.

6) If you buy or sell a whole character, we are not liable for any problems, arising from your trade! The character is bought/sold on a black market, so this is all at your risk!!!

So which one is it? I noticed the post was done on feb 2014. Unsure how many times its been edited but on acc sharing and/or trading anyone ive ever spoken to has said its at your own discression. And many mods know people are sharing accounts too.

So what will be enforced? That its illegal. Or that its at your own discression?

[Insider]

@Isoril,
your first quote was added to Rules month ago or so, and maybe Rule 6 hasnt been fit for changes, good catch

[Asmodeous]

If it was added months ago, it hasnt been enforced. a lot of people i know, and ones you and many others kbow still share accounts. Why not keep it as "at your discression" instead of trying to ban something you cant realistically ban?

[blitzcraig]

it has been enforced, and they do not contradict each other at all. it is not allowed under any circumstance. it may or may not be punished, at our discretion depending upon a number of factors (none of which are personal)

to say another way - sharing /trading passwords may lead to punishment, and nobody is obligated to help you recover your account when it is lost this way.

[Mike McGuire]

Ok blitz so I personally don't know where i stand at this moment in time. Cos as everyone knew right from been an archer I let Ricky play my acc and everybody knew he did. So does this mean that even though I let someone else play my account admins like yourself can just take my acc off me and put in jail and never give me it back even though I have been doing this for such a long time now?

[Asmodeous]

Rule 6 implies that its acceptable. But its at your own risk. a "buyer beware" sticker attatched to it. The quote above rule 6 that I had. Says that it is not permitted. Rule 6 says its all at your own risk, that any problems that "may arise" FT is not liable for.

I could go back and forth for eternity on how the two quotes from the rules that ive posted can contradict each other or be interpreted.

What im suggesting is then to ammend the rules. As mikes said, hes shared with ricky since forever. Others share accounts. Theres no hiding that. Why not remove the ruling that says "buying selling sharing or trading accounts is not permitted" and change this to "buying selling sharing or trading accounts is purely at your own discression and in doing this you understand and accept that FT accepts 0 responsibility if you are scammed"

Because to be honest its a bit late to start enforcing the rule on account sharing... since so many people do it and so many people are known by both players and mods to do it.

[blitzcraig]

you ask why not just make it "at your own risk" instead of "against rules" and here's the simple answer: if it's "at your own risk" then people will (as proven by the fact that they used to) expect help when something goes wrong (I know it's crazy, but here's the analogy - - you go swimming "at your own risk" in a hotel pool. if you drown, the hotel is still partially liable (though it is mitigated a bit from the "at your own risk policy) for providing the pool and allowing swimmers.... on the other hand, you trespass onto somebody's property, ignoring clear "no trespassing"signs and drown in their pond..... they are much less responsible than the hotel)

anyway, like I said before, there are many factors we consider - and we have never (at the time of this writing) confiscated an account simply for sharing it... there is always more to it than that.

lastly, as for the supposed contradiction in rules - with logical /proper interpretation, there is no contradiction whatsoever (you're right that people can interpret anything improperly of course)

they both say it's against the rules: 1 focuses on expressing that we are not obligated to help when it goes badly, the other focuses on expressing that punishment may arise from breaking the rule.

[blitzcraig]

but more importantly, I totally agree with the first issue here from this thread. a system like that would solve many issues, and help protect everybody

[Gandalf]

yes, mike, the idea of a reset function via mail will be implemented soon. or a security question, that you can set (or not, your fault ) and that can only be changed via answering the old question

it will be implemented till european summer, i am pretty sure.