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Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:51 am
by DwarfTank
rearrow wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:38 am funny thing is if you read back forum to the beginning you will see that all classes except dwarf have been namef the best and op class. it started with mages, a change was made and it became sword, another change and it was ogre, etc.
one class can be best in 1vs1pvp, another in team vs team pvp, another in pvm.
one great thing about ft is its changes and one change can shake this whole thing up.
personaly i think its still mages which are op. but thats largely because i often play at times when not many others are playing. so there are no others who can heal block which is necesary if you pvp mages.
as JM points out, if there is a team, healblock can dmg mage realy fast
I agree 100%


I gave a fix for heal block on the topic that addresses new "Heal Spell" to heal self deselect all players, friend and foe, heal self, reselect and cast offense spell again.

To heal allies just select only them and heal.


Would be nice if there could be a way to select and deselect all clan members to make it easier to heal or boost their armor defense....
(Just thought of this clan/party select idea while writting this post)

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:01 am
by DAVEmanda
I wish that we could have a test in coliseum

2000ogre vs 1500 mage

2k ogre vs 2k sword

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:14 am
by DwarfTank
DAVEmanda wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:01 am I wish that we could have a test in coliseum

2000ogre vs 1500 mage

2k ogre vs 2k sword

Get GM approval, we will test, you on mage and sword and I will play ogre.

We set stats as we see fit, then we fight to the death.

I'll even put 10 lvls on the line that Ogre will win against Swordsman with me playing, Mage wins no matter what if there is no heal blockers so not including that in my bet as that would be stupid.

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:36 am
by Mr_Maks
In this test there is no sense a magician 1500 will win anyone who does not run away and will not quit the game like I said above but this will require 3 to 7 minutes of continuous clicks in the screen meanwhile as other classes do not have to do this.In this situation it is quite balanced, but do not forget that pvp in the Coliseum is an example of an ideal fight.but already when any other class runs from the magician is regenerated and the magician spends a lot of time clicks in nowhere and the enemy resorts with full health again here nobody wants to talk about it.
It's more fun to say which magician is strong in an ideal pvp without running away to make up for health and say that this is an imbalance, although in reality everything is completely different.

In pvp swordsman with ogres wins the one who has higher dex here at all, nothing to comment on is so easy.

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:13 pm
by DwarfTank
Mr_Maks wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:36 am In this test there is no sense a magician 1500 will win anyone who does not run away and will not quit the game like I said above but this will require 3 to 7 minutes of continuous clicks in the screen meanwhile as other classes do not have to do this.In this situation it is quite balanced, but do not forget that pvp in the Coliseum is an example of an ideal fight.but already when any other class runs from the magician is regenerated and the magician spends a lot of time clicks in nowhere and the enemy resorts with full health again here nobody wants to talk about it.
It's more fun to say which magician is strong in an ideal pvp without running away to make up for health and say that this is an imbalance, although in reality everything is completely different.

In pvp swordsman with ogres wins the one who has higher dex here at all, nothing to comment on is so easy.
Ogre can defeat all classes in FT 1vs1 except mage an only can't defeat mage because of heal spell.


My potion idea will compensate for the mage having OP heal spell, and added damage is to compensate for mage OP heal spell.

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:58 pm
by Mr_Maks
We are repeated.

As I wrote earlier that this idea could exist, you must also come up with an idea which will strengthen mage too.Otherwise you will destroy the class mage and destroy the entire game for the owners of this character that only worsen the game and not make it better.

At the moment the idea is very crude and it is better to leave the balance as it is now, it is not perfect, but every idea of ​​balance should be agreed upon by many players as well as GM team.Otherwise, a sharp and unintended change in the balance can leaving many players out of the game than we of course do not want so that it happens.

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:07 pm
by Ryaca
DwarfTank30 wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:34 amI don't pvp on DwarfTank never have, Dwarves basically are not allowed to pvp in FT, only class that still is left WITHOUT A PVP SKILL!!
Very good point DT

I have said this so many times in past posts but i always get a snarky remark back or ignored altogether

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:16 pm
by DwarfTank
Ryaca wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:07 pm
DwarfTank30 wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:34 amI don't pvp on DwarfTank never have, Dwarves basically are not allowed to pvp in FT, only class that still is left WITHOUT A PVP SKILL!!
Very good point DT

I have said this so many times in past posts but i always get a snarky remark back or ignored altogether
I know the feeling all to well, I get more than my fair share of ignored and rude snarky remarks.

I've given quite a few ideas for Dwarf PvP Skills but not one has been implemented for even testing as far as I know, and DT knows many things.

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:22 pm
by DwarfTank
Mr_Maks wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:58 pm We are repeated.

As I wrote earlier that this idea could exist, you must also come up with an idea which will strengthen mage too.Otherwise you will destroy the class mage and destroy the entire game for the owners of this character that only worsen the game and not make it better.

At the moment the idea is very crude and it is better to leave the balance as it is now, it is not perfect, but every idea of ​​balance should be agreed upon by many players as well as GM team.Otherwise, a sharp and unintended change in the balance can leaving many players out of the game than we of course do not want so that it happens.
I understand what you are saying, but you are missing the point I have given the idea for such a potion to be added to game. Mage has heal spell, also has UNLIMITED MANA after lvl1K, this means there is no balance, you and any one else opposing this potion just want mage to remain the OP Character that it is.

Re: It's Time For A Better Potion

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:50 pm
by Mr_Maks
Mage Strong? Are you kidding?Why do you force me to repeat the same thing?While there is a magical resist at 90%, the mage will never be a strong class.spend 5 minutes of continuous clicks on the screen to destroy the enemy.You want to add a potion with which all classes can destroy the mage in 5 seconds !!!And do you think this is a balance?Really?No one can defeat the mage as well as the mage can not defeat any other class because they can run away to regen their health completely in 30 seconds and return to the fight for this they have a potion of acceleration(exception archer)
Forget about honest pvp until the end of this will never happen!All will escape to be and come back and it will be an infinite pvp.
This is the heal about which you say so and it is in ALL CLASSES for this you just need stand still and not be attacked=you again has full hp.
If you do not know how to do what I described above this does not mean that the mage is stronger than other classes.On the contrary, the mage is useless against the enemy who uses this tactic.

I'm not going to repeatanymore, because all your talk about the fact that the mage is stronger than any other class is complete is not true.You have never played for a mags and you can not know more about him than I do then why comment on it?I know all the minuses and pluses of this class and I can say exactly that the mage has those minuses not less than the other classes.I can explain everything about it but it will take a very long time and there will be a lot of mistakes due to the fact that I do not know much English.