Re: Abusing Clan Buildings to Teleport Us to Spawn
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:45 pm
I'm not seeing any KoT clan walls, or MCNR and other names like that, so why are you quoting them in your post? Just trying to harm people who have nothing to do with your problem?Callisto wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:18 pm We have broken into an enemy base with around 15 accounts.
We have been in here for days and people, keep placing buildings on us to teleport us to spawn.
The vast majority of this, including the image, was of the NHEL and NHL clans made by Nahuel7.
The image below was made by the Plutonium account.
Rule 7, 8 alligations here are tied solely to Nahuel7.
Rule 14 (Clan building spam) is far more complicated.
Rule 14 section 3 states to that an area where a war is happening may be considered a "contested area". We consider our attack which has destroyed multiple buildings here as making this area a "contented area".
Rule 14 section 1 states that the owner of the offending and the clan of the owners affiliation will be punished. It also states that if no affiliated clan can be found, then the main clan benefiting from this will be punished.
It is clear the offending person and spam buildings come from the player Nahuel and the clans NHEL and NHL however in any sensible way it is clear that NHEL and NHL, even if they have a different duke, are still undoubtedly a de facto offshoot of MCNR. The contested area includes the area around KoT and NHL. The Duke of NHEL and NHL, Nahuel, is lord in some of the clans that benefit from this. MCNR, KoT and others benefit significantly from this spam.
Rule 14 section 4 says that placing buildings on players may be considered spam.
Other clans than NHEL have done this during this siege.
DxD- placed 1 wall on one of our accounts earlier, however we are not sure if this was intentional or not, so we aren't reporting them for it.
Due to all this our attack can no longer continue as all our accounts will immediately be sent to spawn. We will lose because of abuse not because they fairly removed us.
This is extremely unfair.
Nahuel has been aware of all this the whole time, not only as he had to have read the rules, but also because he was explicitly told so and did not care.
So according to our interpretation of rule 14, the clans of the dukes affiliation, MCNR, KoT, NHEL, NHL and clans named similar to MCNR etc., the clans benefiting from this spam, mainly NHEL, KoT, NHL, MCNR, DIDO and DxD- and clans naimed similar to MCNR, should be punished, with NHEL and NHL in particular taking the main punishment.
It should be noted that Nahuel is a member of some or all of these clans, even duke or lord in some of them.
Nahuel, who's main clan is MCNR and his offshoot of MCNR, would make MCNR and it's affiliated clans all liable for these actions, and as their lord in some clans he has legitimacy to act on the dukes behalf.
Rule 14 section 5 lays out punishments depending on severity, and we believe that since this is being carried out in order to stop multiple people and stands to benefit a very large amount clans, the punishemnt should be more severe.
Nahuel also stands on logged off accounts with pets or his accounts, in order to teleport siegers to spawn were they to log on which we believe may brake rules 7 and 8.
Accounts that don't have buildings placed over them, have intentionally been locked into small areas they cannot leave, mostly with unfinished buildings, including on the west side of the wall spam in the image, where above the DIDO blue castle a craft house can be found and on the other side of the bridge a wall which together block accounts inside.
In addition to that, this report and it's subsequent decision will be important to establish what rule 14 really means now after all this time.
It should be clear if this rule has effectively started being ignored or if it will be enforced.
We believe that the verdict on this should be made public perhaps as a forum topic to clarify to everyone if the following is now allowed and the rule is obsolete or if it still applies:
1. Placing buildings on players (intentionally)
2. Standing on players to teleport them to spawn (intentionally)
3. Spamming buildings in others bases and then braking alliance or spamming buildings in contested areas.
4. Can buildings be placed in order to block people into an area they cannot leave?
5. Can MCNR or other clans be punished if their lord and/or de facto puppet clans brake rule 14? It is certain that these clans benefit massively from this and that it was done on their behalf by their own lord's who should probably be considered, due to a different forum topic, as the dukes ambassadors.
(And making it more clear who exactly is punished instead of it being between somebody and half a clan map).
Hopefully I'm finally satisfied with this after 9 edits.
