is forgive option bugged?

[hungry_wolf]

Hello

in this days a friend told me about a situation that happens with another player

that one disturbed his exp , spawned monsters that caused a pet loss twice, and attacked him many times (he already sent a message to GM about)

the strange thing i noticed in the story is that after attacking my friend , the other player , that have a level hundreds lower, 'forgive' him , so he cannot fight back

because other is lower.

i think forgive option shouldn't work this way, otherwise is only an advantage for troublemakers

is it a bug or 'forgive' works this way???

regards

[Leone]

My understanding is that you can only forgive players who have attacked you first and are on your aggressors list. You cannot forgive players who you have not interacted with before.

I may be wrong here though. Good question.

[hungry_wolf]

My understanding is that you can only forgive players who have attacked you first and are on your aggressors list. You cannot forgive players who you have not interacted with before.

I may be wrong here though. Good question.

a forgive should be done by both players

i asked details, my friend (higher level) was of course attacked first, then forgiven by other (hundreds lower) so can't attack anymore

in this terms or is wrong or there is a bug in the mechanism

[Leone]

That's where our understanding of the forgive feature is slightly different.

Sellsword and I tested it. He attacked me and then I could retaliate as often as I liked. I did not appear on his aggressor list, although he was on my list.

I then forgave him, but he did not have to forgive me.

Here is compbatant's original announcement about this feature:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18125&hilit=Forgive

[hungry_wolf]

That's where our understanding of the forgive feature is slightly different.

Sellsword and I tested it. He attacked me and then I could retaliate as often as I liked. I did not appear on his aggressor list, although he was on my list.

I then forgave him, but he did not have to forgive me.

Here is compbatant's original announcement about this feature:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18125&hilit=Forgive

ty. i read topic, talks about remove, but doesnt include consequences, so this affects previous mechanisms of attacks-counterattacks . not good, maybe is not a bug in strict sense, but the result is a bug

[LostKnight]

If Hungry(532) is attacked by Wolf(231)
Wolf will appear on your "You were attacked by list"
- Now even though he is 100s of levels lower than you, you can attack and kill him any time you want.
- enter the new command /forgive
- you "/forgive Wolf" and he disappears from your list
- you volunteered not to be able to attack him by forgiving him.

He can still attack you as he is lower.

[hungry_wolf]

If Hungry(532) is attacked by Wolf(231)
Wolf will appear on your "You were attacked by list"
- Now even though he is 100s of levels lower than you, you can attack and kill him any time you want.
- enter the new command /forgive
- you "/forgive Wolf" and he disappears from your list
- you volunteered not to be able to attack him by forgiving him.

He can still attack you as he is lower.

correct, but in case of pvp between players both have other in list:
Hungry don t forgive Wolf
Wolf forgive Hungry

is not correct that peace is decided for both , so Hungry should have possibility to attack Wolf until he decide to forgive him

Another can t decide to oblige me to peace against my will, and this is the case my friend noticed; if somebody want stop pvp action, exists 'pvp protection' , buyable in online shop

[LostKnight]

correct, but in case of pvp between players both have other in list:
Hungry don t forgive Wolf
Wolf forgive Hungry

I do not think it is that way... check with an alt.
The player that is "attacked" has the attacker in his list. ie Hungry
In this example Hungry, has Wolf in his list
- Wolf does NOT have Hungry on his list.
- Wolf was not attacked - Hungry "defended" himself. Different story.

is not correct that peace is decided for both , so Hungry should have possibility to attack Wolf until he decide to forgive him

That is exactly correct, Hungry can attack Wolf as long as he does NOT forgive him.
Wolf can attack Hungry anytime as he is a a much lower level than Hungry.

Another can t decide to oblige me to peace against my will, and this is the case my friend noticed; if somebody want stop pvp action, exists 'pvp protection' , buyable in online shop

Not against your will...
The rule of 3.... (for NON clans)
- anyone can attack another player if they are 3 or less levels below them OR any amount of levels higher than them.
- - - Level 100 can attack Level 5K - it is suicide but can happen

A level 5k player does NOT show up on the level 100 player's "You are attacked by" list if he is defending, or tomorrow, retaliating for being attacked.

BUT as soon as Hungry does "/forgive Wolf" Hungry can no longer attack Wolf.

The game mechanics means the Wolf can still attack Hungry, in which case he goes back on Hungry's "You are attacked by" list and it starts again.

[hungry_wolf]

correct, but in case of pvp between players both have other in list:
Hungry don t forgive Wolf
Wolf forgive Hungry

I do not think it is that way... check with an alt.
The player that is "attacked" has the attacker in his list. ie Hungry
In this example Hungry, has Wolf in his list
- Wolf does NOT have Hungry on his list.
- Wolf was not attacked - Hungry "defended" himself. Different story.

is not correct that peace is decided for both , so Hungry should have possibility to attack Wolf until he decide to forgive him

That is exactly correct, Hungry can attack Wolf as long as he does NOT forgive him.
Wolf can attack Hungry anytime as he is a a much lower level than Hungry.

Another can t decide to oblige me to peace against my will, and this is the case my friend noticed; if somebody want stop pvp action, exists 'pvp protection' , buyable in online shop

Not against your will...
The rule of 3.... (for NON clans)
- anyone can attack another player if they are 3 or less levels below them OR any amount of levels higher than them.
- - - Level 100 can attack Level 5K - it is suicide but can happen

A level 5k player does NOT show up on the level 100 player's "You are attacked by" list if he is defending, or tomorrow, retaliating for being attacked.

BUT as soon as Hungry does "/forgive Wolf" Hungry can no longer attack Wolf.

The game mechanics means the Wolf can still attack Hungry, in which case he goes back on Hungry's "You are attacked by" list and it starts again.

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OK, this could be a good explanation

but

Wolf (100) attacks Hungry (500) (pure theory no considerations about classes)

Hungry has Wolf in list, now can attack him so
Hungry attacks Wolf
Wolf has Hungry in list
Wolf forgive Hungry : wolf has no more Hungry in list
Hungry doesn t forgive Wolf , still have in list : should be able to see Wolf as enemy and attack him, until decide to forgive or until reset

if doesn t work this way , Wolf can annoy Hungry with this trick attack -forgive how many times he wants and , done while xping for example, is harrasment and reduction of game experience, so 2 rules abused;this specific rules are very complicated to demonstrate, so the trick is almost legal and this is not correct.

that 'forgive' should be improved or removed

[Leone]

Ok. I have just tested with two alts: archer level 40 and dwarf 30.

To clarify, neither are outlaws or in a clan.

First test- archer 40 attempts pvp on dwarf 30. Message - enemy is too low. No pvp is possible.

Next - dwarf 30 attacks archer 40. The dwarf appears on archer's aggressor list and also appears in red on screen.

Next - archer attacks dwarf. The archer does not appear on the dwarf's enemy list.

Next - archer does /forgive dwarf 30. The dwarf is no longer on the archer's aggressor list and is in white in the game screen. They are both back to normal game status.

Remember- the archer 40 had never been on the dwarf 30's aggressor list.

That is exactly how the feature should work. Anything else is a concern.

But remember about clans and outlaws.