Gears , playstyles and skilltree

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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by Nahgus » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:50 am

compbatant wrote:
Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:56 pm
Adding skill tree is good idea. I was thinking about it too. We have working code from Omega Vanitas :) Please prepare skills propositions for each class and we can discuss them. We need also level requirements for them.
could also add hunger so players have to buy and gather ingredients and make food

would also keep players from afk grinding with auto clicker since they would have to payattention to hunger meter
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by theking » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:17 pm

What is the use of my magician 5k using a potion? high wizards do not need potion put another skill to the wizard which you say is absurd.
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by Lestat » Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:28 pm

there should be a group of skills to chose from...both offensive and defensive..for each group...and have it divided into more of a class structure instead...for example sword chooses path of paladin or warrior each with its own grouping of skills. paladin would be higher defensive and warrior higher attack.
archer could go sniper(higher range less defense) or hunter (higher attack and defence with less range)
orge could be tank(high defence) or slaughter(hi crit)
dwarf could be beserker(attack) or guardian(defence)
mage could be wizard(hi attack with lower heal) or bishop (lower attack but higher heal)

give each "class" a group of 6 skills to choose from with 4 available for use. this will lower carried pots to be usable, but give each person the ability to customize according to play style. one class is chosen you cannot go back. this would make stat development more neccesary and promote more group style play. would also help balance the OP mage.. they wouldnt have high heal and massive damage, they would have to choose one style over the other. would also give dwarf a pvp style
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by madmaniacal1 » Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:07 am

Grahf wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:38 pm
Before thinking of skill trees i would think time spent to finally put an end to how unbalanced classes are in pvp would be time spent more wisely in my opinion. Like giving dwarfs an actual useful skill in pvp but what am i saying classes balancing and skill trees will probably NEVER HAPPEN
Skill trees actually have the chance to balance ALL classes. They can give dwarves the needed skills/perks to stand up in PvP. They can balance a mage by making them choose whether or not they prefer damage or healing, instead of spamming both. They can even affect class affinities by giving passive effects that aid/nerf their skills.
Balance can be achieved, and giving players a choice in how they play will be that balance.
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by Lestat » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:42 am

there should be a group of skills to chose from...both offensive and defensive..for each group...and have it divided into more of a class structure instead...for example sword chooses path of paladin or warrior each with its own grouping of skills. paladin would be higher defensive and warrior higher attack.
archer could go sniper(higher range less defense) or hunter (higher attack and defence with less range)
orge could be tank(high defence) or slaughter(hi crit)
dwarf could be beserker(attack) or guardian(defence)
mage could be wizard(hi attack with lower heal) or bishop (lower attack but higher heal)

give each "class" a group of 6 skills to choose from with 4 available for use. this will lower carried pots to be usable, but give each person the ability to customize according to play style. one class is chosen you cannot go back. this would make stat development more neccesary and promote more group style play. would also help balance the OP mage.. they wouldnt have high heal and massive damage, they would have to choose one style over the other. would also give dwarf a pvp style


added to previous

make affinity as a passive skill with the following choices

craft...this gives a small boost to drop rate from mobs,mid boost to mine,chop,high boost to craft,but takes away from hammer,fish and seige

builder...this gives a small boost to fish, a mid boost to mine,chop, and a high boost to hammer but gives nor takes from drop rate,takes from craft and seige

seiger. this gives high boost to seige but takes from mine,chop,fish and gives no change to drop or hammer
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

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not sure if its possible but here is some ideas on class specializations and skill possibilities. also a possible 3 types of passive side class(crafter,builder,seiger)
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by SellSword » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:06 am

Very interesting thoughts there, and good to see more of a comprehensive list.

Assuming some type of specialization I suppose that would have to start after a certain level? Mages can use their first spells at level 5 I think, and that's the earliest of the classes. There could be some changes with levels where skills/scrolls could be used, but probably make everyone select when those become available?

Would this be something that could be reset easily? Like I'm a Swordsman-Gladiator and go to the stats reset magus and decide that I want to be a Swordsman-Paladin? Possibly with that choice my STR is automatically capped until I assign enough ARM to stay under the 40% threshold, for example.

Or would this be something where you would have to buy a stats reset? I doubt the current stats reset item available for real money sells as well as other things, so maybe that would reset stats and allow a change?
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by Lestat » Sat Dec 21, 2019 5:26 am

stat reset such as str,arm,dex would be able to still be changed. class change such as gladiator to paladin should be a cash purchase. depending on how many skills you can have active(not sure 6 active skills will be a choice)perhaps 4 active skills? but a skill change could be an ingame gold requirement.

maybe make your initial choice ( glad or pally) permanent and skill reset a cash purchase.

to avoid abuse of afinities tho, those, if given the ability to be changed, should cause all to revert back to zero. this would stop players from just switching passives to boost all skills
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by Syor » Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:12 am

Lestat wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:38 am
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not sure if its possible but here is some ideas on class specializations and skill possibilities. also a possible 3 types of passive side class(crafter,builder,seiger)
perfect
I like it very much, however the double way of each class would be chosen by 4 skills.
I'll explain

At level 30 I choose a way for my character
At 60 levels the second ability between the two ways
Level 90 the third always chosen between the two routes
At level 150/200 the fourth
At level 500/750 the fifth skill that is permanent

Credo già che 4 skill siano troppe per via di 4 pulsanti, più pozioni e varie avrei metà schermo inutilizzabile.


Quindi metterei 4 skill attivabili e 1 a livelli altissimi permanente.

Lestat pubblica la tua idea anche nell'altro post. È una bella idea.
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Re: Gears , playstyles and skilltree

Post by madmaniacal1 » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:51 am

Lestat wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:38 am
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not sure if its possible but here is some ideas on class specializations and skill possibilities. also a possible 3 types of passive side class(crafter,builder,seiger)
Even if not possible to be implemented as written (Idk if it is or not), these are great ideas for further development of skills/skill trees.
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