NOT A PENNY PETITION LIST
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thx for all the input, it is really helpful.
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Shade doesnt auto click. People dont actually realise. Autoclicking in pvp actually makes you worse of a pvper. And you can tell due to their movements.
Bottom line. Autoclickers suck.
@Gandalf. If i did sound like an ass it wasnt meant to come across like that. All it was is putting forth feelings and ideas. Also that other thread where comps asked for what we can do. I just posted there too.
Bottom line. Autoclickers suck.
@Gandalf. If i did sound like an ass it wasnt meant to come across like that. All it was is putting forth feelings and ideas. Also that other thread where comps asked for what we can do. I just posted there too.
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Nice post. These numbers need a lot of testing though. Also, about freeze i suggest NO unfreeze pots for mages and archers. They were added to give melee a chance, not to run.Asmodeous wrote:We have. Check over disgruntled posts. Where you just quoted that from i just replied. Remember. Buffs for classes not nerfs. Or else youl go through the dreaded nerf cycle.
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That would then be one hell of a nerf. It would also mean you then need to limit the amount of spam stuns done as melee too.
The problem isnt so much the antifreeze as it is the shear imbalance in pvp. You have a class which gets a 2.5x benifit from a single point. Yes it is 50% in pvp along with a variable of 0x to 1x on everything except heal for the mage.
The mage is the only class to benifit like this. Where as the counter stat to mana doesnt match a 1 for 1 ratio. You would have to invest in 3 dex per 1 mana to have a true chance to negate it. This means mages go pure mana to destroy. Because if you went pure dex you wouldnt only not be able to negate the mana. Youd also have no damage.
If you run those numbers I gave you. Along with allowing for archers a small percentage of damage per dex point youd encourage a new type of mage killing build. But to accomodate for the changes suggested. Slight tweaks to the mage itself has to be done.
Such as buffing yellowflow to 2.5, making all spells either keep that variable of 0x to 1x damage. Or making them all like heal, as flat damage. The problem with heal is that its a guaranteed number. Where as yellow/green/arm arent.
This one small factor with heal being flat. Causes imbalance again between mages.
Either have them all as 0x to 1x variables. Or all of them as flat rates like heal. Having one or the other contributes to imbalance.
Freeze pots. Thats a different story along with the slow spell. The biggest problem use to be attack loggers. Now its harassers with slow. If slow has a duration and its a coding issue. Is it possible to also have the anti freeze modify the duration of slow applied to the character and change it to 0 seconds? Aswell as something like spellshield continually resetting the the applied slow timer to 0?
Freezing is generally useless at the moment unless they dont have pots. But if you put a timer on the amount of pots used per second along with the reapplied effects of freeze or stun you wont have a middle ground. Melee can spam stun. So a timer is pointless. If freeze arrow was "per hit" then a cooldown on pots is useless still.
So for theory.
What if anti freeze had a cooldown timer of 3 seconds and knife had a cooldown of 1.5 seconds?
If everyones attack speed mimiced the mages spells per second. Wouldnt this give a good chance to freeze/stun while a fair opportunity to flee?
The problem isnt so much the antifreeze as it is the shear imbalance in pvp. You have a class which gets a 2.5x benifit from a single point. Yes it is 50% in pvp along with a variable of 0x to 1x on everything except heal for the mage.
The mage is the only class to benifit like this. Where as the counter stat to mana doesnt match a 1 for 1 ratio. You would have to invest in 3 dex per 1 mana to have a true chance to negate it. This means mages go pure mana to destroy. Because if you went pure dex you wouldnt only not be able to negate the mana. Youd also have no damage.
If you run those numbers I gave you. Along with allowing for archers a small percentage of damage per dex point youd encourage a new type of mage killing build. But to accomodate for the changes suggested. Slight tweaks to the mage itself has to be done.
Such as buffing yellowflow to 2.5, making all spells either keep that variable of 0x to 1x damage. Or making them all like heal, as flat damage. The problem with heal is that its a guaranteed number. Where as yellow/green/arm arent.
This one small factor with heal being flat. Causes imbalance again between mages.
Either have them all as 0x to 1x variables. Or all of them as flat rates like heal. Having one or the other contributes to imbalance.
Freeze pots. Thats a different story along with the slow spell. The biggest problem use to be attack loggers. Now its harassers with slow. If slow has a duration and its a coding issue. Is it possible to also have the anti freeze modify the duration of slow applied to the character and change it to 0 seconds? Aswell as something like spellshield continually resetting the the applied slow timer to 0?
Freezing is generally useless at the moment unless they dont have pots. But if you put a timer on the amount of pots used per second along with the reapplied effects of freeze or stun you wont have a middle ground. Melee can spam stun. So a timer is pointless. If freeze arrow was "per hit" then a cooldown on pots is useless still.
So for theory.
What if anti freeze had a cooldown timer of 3 seconds and knife had a cooldown of 1.5 seconds?
If everyones attack speed mimiced the mages spells per second. Wouldnt this give a good chance to freeze/stun while a fair opportunity to flee?
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Insider wrote:Cleo, you are right that we can't fix the game we dont play. But is it our job? We have another task - we watch rulebreakers and if game works fine(server crash and so).
Sure we can't know about bugs in clan section - we do not join them with regular chars and don't build as GMs. But we have players who can report it.
We also have suggestions and bugs forums, we read all the suggestions... But you know it takes time to add new features to game.
Also, if it is a petition - it would be nice to make a list of things which you want to see. I like the idea when players make a group and ask for fixes together, but that your first post isn't polite to us - you know how we work.
WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT THE UPDATES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED OVER PAST FEW YEARS WERE NOT THE ONES MODS/ADMINS SHOULD HAVE BEEN MESSING WITH. WE HAVE SUGGESTED IDEAS OVER THOES PAST FEW YEARS. BUT WHERE DID WE GET. NO WHERE JUST DUG YOUR SELF A BIGGER DEEPER HOLE.
AND IF YOU DONT DEVELOP THE GAME THEN NONE PF THOS CONCERNS YOU AT ALL. BESIDES MODS INTERFERING WITH CLAN BUSINESS. AND YOU SHPULDNT GET SO BUTT HURT ABOUT IT
LIKE YOU SAID YOU DONT DEVELOP SO WHY ARE YPU HERE PUTTING YOUR COMMENT IN?
GO BACK TO THROWING YOUR PRIVATE PARTYS.
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JUST BECAUSE I ROAR DOSENT ALWAYS MEAN I'M MAD. SOMETIME I JUST WANT TO BE HEARD
WE PAY WE SAY!!!
FT NEEDS A TOUGH VOICE. IM HAPPY TO BE THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING THAT
JUST BECAUSE I ROAR DOSENT ALWAYS MEAN I'M MAD. SOMETIME I JUST WANT TO BE HEARD
WE PAY WE SAY!!!
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Gandalf wrote:thx for all the input, it is really helpful.
LOVE THE WAY WE GET BRUSHED OFF. GIVE US A REAL EXCUSE WHY YOU UAVE BEEN WAISTING THE PAST FEW YEAR ON SHT THAT GAME NEVER NEEDED TO FIX.
DONT JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY I KNOW WE ARE DONE LOOKING WHERE WE SHOULDN'T.
AND I SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME
Knight-2037
FT NEEDS A TOUGH VOICE. IM HAPPY TO BE THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING THAT
JUST BECAUSE I ROAR DOSENT ALWAYS MEAN I'M MAD. SOMETIME I JUST WANT TO BE HEARD
WE PAY WE SAY!!!
FT NEEDS A TOUGH VOICE. IM HAPPY TO BE THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING THAT
JUST BECAUSE I ROAR DOSENT ALWAYS MEAN I'M MAD. SOMETIME I JUST WANT TO BE HEARD
WE PAY WE SAY!!!
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I along with many other would like to see macro /auto clicking looked at this wouldn't bother me one bit, as asmodeous said does make movemonets trash ive seen it in few mages. Believe theres a few screen shots of eclipse saying he uses a macro or is going to, dont think he does just there are some screen shots of him stating this in game.(Nightshade)Mage 2036. As far as petition sign me up, fixing such bugs as random green flows that stop from attacking clan buildings, fire ball uses when hp not 3x building str. Some of the weird placements mods have done to clan buildings, fact someone can log in log out instantly twenty times (lacros can show you this trick) to heal buildings, archers balanced pvp at higher lvls 1k plus, lower lvl archers can stat to beat same lvl mage or other type (balanced not op) think this mainly has to do with 1k pots three or four packs but after certain point 1k pots just isnt enough to counter mana regain, be nice to see some new skills added to something other then swordman. Who currently has four skill if im not mistaken. unclanning to get out of autos or place randolmy named clan walls yes they dissapear 24hrs later but thats just not good enough, you can attack one clan this map but go to another clan map auto is not on this doesn't make any since also believe auto should be for attacking building not player or both, like the idea of clicking and attacking player gets help from building that they spent time on. noticed alot of server lag recently or maybe it my connection idk either way kinda hard to spawn when ice skating, bosses.on lion map rarely drop. Ive noticed when crossing a anamation die and some one crosses they also dissapear can still talk can still attack just invisible. Still getting outlaw messages for killing people that attacked my persons. Insiders you have clan zloy 1000plus round tower.bottom clan map.Bence wrote:I am sure Nightshade wont fix autoclick problem.
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What ever happend to mods being in game? Used to see them roaming around checking on maps ect. Now just show up randomly just to mute or fix building change skin. Just wondering maybe more bug or abuses would be found?
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SOME mod do play on unknown alts and I think that is great. Getting a "players perspective" of the game is the best way to notice the problems IMO.receveo wrote:What ever happend to mods being in game? Used to see them roaming around checking on maps ect. Now just show up randomly just to mute or fix building change skin. Just wondering maybe more bug or abuses would be found?
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indeed. mods and admins should play unknown alts.Cleopatra wrote:SOME mod do play on unknown alts and I think that is great. Getting a "players perspective" of the game is the best way to notice the problems IMO.receveo wrote:What ever happend to mods being in game? Used to see them roaming around checking on maps ect. Now just show up randomly just to mute or fix building change skin. Just wondering maybe more bug or abuses would be found?
best way to find and notice rulebreakers too. theres a lit if lying going on. and a lot of rules being broken.