New Rules on Shared and Traded Accounts

[Khmer]

Just to let the Gm team know

I heard of players talking about making a "test dummy" alt and then sharing it to test out the new coding program

Just a heads up

Spoken like a true Ryaca

[hungry_wolf]

I ve never tought to share my accounts. They represent me in game, i worked on them to improve, ARE ME.
Maybe i m not so social,i m jealous of what i created, good or bad, improvable,but MINE.
But we are not talking about social,condivide and fun.
We are talking of use better skill or highest level
to do what with a lower,lazy acc they don t like
to grow up, players avoid to make efforts, mostly
for bullying or get something in change.
This attitude, in my opinion, is worse than abusing
of a bug, at least who does that,has discovered
something.
I know identify properly a player means enter in
privacy mud, but companies working online do
this every second.
So.. finally when i m thinking to say hallo to somebody should be my friend, i would not be
worried he could be another and try to kill me.
Is not so bad.

Greetings

[rearrow]

It seems to me that the only people who should be concerned about this are those who have been /are sharing accounts.

Those were my exact thoughts also Leone

Why would a player that doesn't share accounts complain about this?

@ryaca,
because of several reasons.
1) because he finds the proposed punishments too harsh for the deed. the same way he would object to a thief having his hands shopped of as punishment.

i asume you ate no thief, but also asume you would be against this punishment.

2) because, although sharing has indeed been forbidden for years, the last 3years it has never been enforced while for quiet a few accounts it was well known.
this implies that although its officially forbidden it is not seen as a capital offense.
A severere penalry for new sharing, now that its clear would be fine with me.even perm jail.

But not for past offenses.
that would belike suddenly saying driving a mile to fast (not allowed but not enforced) suddenly gets you a $100000 fine, even if it was last year.

3) because there are lots of ways sharing happened.
this is where the gm decission comes in.

from serious offense to less serious in my personal opinion.

more serious:
1) many sharing one accounts for hours each day,grinding lvls.
2)2people sharing one acount daily.
3) multiple people buying the lvls on shared account.

less serious
1) occasional use of an account to craft.
(you have askedsomeone to make you a 1k plate and hes tried for hours or days, failing. he got no time anymore and gives u access to try.
2)a duke is sick, in hospital, or otherwise cant play and an urgent alliance is needed or something needs to be sold urgently. not doing so could risk the city which took a year to build.logging on. getting everything explained takes to long so he goves temporary access to account to trusted clanmember. later he changes pw again.

3)i would consider sharing an account for defence of city as less serious as well but can see if others dont agree.
my reasoning is that some people can siege and attack for 20hours in a row. others have jobs, kids, etc and cannot defend so long. or they are calkwd away regularly.
In the end the ones with enough time would always win. and the ones with a lot of cash and time....
i myself cant fault someone who has just defended for 8hours and gives a friend access to defend while he gets some sleep. especially if the attackers are abusing bugs and somehow manage to keep the soege up for days (posdibly sharing themselves)

Lastly,
As someone who cannot afford to buy lvls (and prices are the same in 'rich'countrirs as in 'poorer) and who has grinded 3years only to see changes that :
a)allowed people to get a multitude more lvls in seconds buy buying them and
b) pets which quadruppeled the grind rate

does not find the 'fair play' argument for not letting others grind an account very fair.
The whole 3years of grinding before pets are basicly wasted since you can get the same amountbof lvs in a month now. or buy them in seconds.
fair would be to be to compensate, reward these for all the time they poored into the game before it became easy.

Also for those without money to buy lvls a big part of clan game and pvp is now unavailable.
If you dont buy but do want to be in a clan basicly anyone who does buy lvls can kill you. when i took my break 1.5years ago therecwere maybe 20wo whould easily kill lv500rearrow. one year later theres a few 100. theres lv 1500-10k everywhere and if ypur in a clan and not 2k+ you die in a few hits to them.
The one loophole here was if a high lvl was willing to allow you to use his account occasianally if you felt like pbping or to get revenge on that 2k that killwd you a few times.

Im a grinder, proud of my grinded lvls and i suck at pvp. dont like it. but others do and i find some of these player proposed punishments grosly unfair to those who trusted their expensive account to a friend to let him enjoy it.
I admire a guy who lends his Ferrary to his friend who can only afford a Scoda.

[death911]

Rearrow has made some real valid ponts.
HUGEST +1

Yes i very much support the Grading of Sharing which he has categorised as more serious and less serious.

Both group are little different and need to be dealt differently. Perm jail for more serious group who have used shared accounts for grinding and Bought levels for shared acount and have shared almost daily..

The other group who just shared occasionally for help doesn't deserve so harsh punishment. Yes sharing is illegal and is punishable i agree. But the punishment for this group should be a less severe one. Maybe jail for a week..

In real world if we take examples, some people commit theft like huge scams and loot other people for money, whereas there are other people who just steal bread to satisfy their hunger. Both committed theft yes. But both don't deserve same punishment in my opinion..

[rearrow]

And thats why the GMs look at each case separately.

A huge job, which makes more enemies then friends and all volunteer work. And they dont have to agree with the rules but still have to apply them to all, independend of if they like the guy or not, independent if they agree or not.
I couldnt do that which is why i never applied.
But i do admire them for it.

they are fts heroes. vilained, acused but still on it because they love the world of ft and maybe because of a few friends in here.

[death911]

Also the accounts deserve some punishment who have already gained 1000s of levels by sharing in past years inspite of knowing sharing is forbidden but now stopped sharing because of new rules.

They wont be much affected now , would they?
After already having 6k or 7k or even 9k + levels by sharing, now they won't much be affected after already being high levels.

[death911]

And thats why the GMs look at each case separately.

A huge job, which makes more enemies then friends and all volunteer work. And they dont have to agree with the rules but still have to apply them to all, independend of if they like the guy or not, independent if they agree or not.
I couldnt do that which is why i never applied.
But i do admire them for it.

they are fts heroes. vilained, acused but still on it because they love the world of ft and maybe because of a few friends in here.

Yes GM is a huge job and i trust them to do their job properly. They have been keeping peace in the game for years and they will keep in future also.

[death911]

I have school 5/7 days out of the week. On weekends or days off, etc, if I don't have lag I'll play from when I wake up, til I fall asleep. Sometimes that can be 13+ hours.

Exactly .. it is sometimes more than 13+ hours. Not all the times..i meant for those who are almost a always online regularly on a daily basis. I have seen 1 player almost always online at the giant spiders. One more player at cave giants. Obviously a single person cannot be on all the time.

For that observation, you much be on 'almost always' too! Sounds like

That's not just my observation lol. Some of my friends notice that too.

[LostKnight]

And thats why the GMs look at each case separately.

A huge job, which makes more enemies then friends and all volunteer work. And they dont have to agree with the rules but still have to apply them to all, independend of if they like the guy or not, independent if they agree or not.
I couldnt do that which is why i never applied.
But i do admire them for it.

they are fts heroes. vilained, acused but still on it because they love the world of ft and maybe because of a few friends in here.

Yes GM is a huge job and i trust them to do their job properly. They have been keeping peace in the game for years and they will keep in future also.

Maybe a little off topic here but ... WOW! I do so like these two statements.
HUGE +1 and like rearrow, they have my admiration for putting themselves in the line of fire and taking the flac so the rest of us can play a better game in relative peace. A lesson I learned the hard way that came close to having a different ending, because of a stupid misunderstanding - on my part.

[rearrow]

Also the accounts deserve some punishment who have already gained 1000s of levels by sharing in past years inspite of knowing sharing is forbidden but now stopped sharing because of new rules.

They wont be much affected now , would they?
After already having 6k or 7k or even 9k + levels by sharing, now they won't much be affected after already being high levels.

i dont think so many levels have been gained sharing. at least not until pets were introduced.
As i said before until about 2years ago it took days of play to earn a lvl. if an account was,shared in the worst way with people taking turns grinding 24/7 a week.long it would still have gotten a lott less levels then someone using the bought pets for a day at the moment.
so illegally gained lvls by sharing before the introduction of pets arent that many i beleave.

I dont know about the sharing since the good bought pets were introduced. wasnt around most of this time, only returned 6months ago.
But i do know a few of the realy high lvls and they have pured lots of real money in them. some buying lvls monthly for years. others i have seen buying thousands of lvls during the last 6months.

getting accounts to a high lvl by sharing would be so much slower then just buying the lvls. and thats what these high lvls do. they got cash and spend it to get strong or to help.friends. no need to share to do that. if they share it has other reasons. like helping clan or friends.
they are also.the ones who sometimes buy others levels or pets.

But again this is probably not too hard to check since purchases definately leave records.