raw vs Link

[Asmodeous]

Were all human. This does not change.

[Trilix]

raw has declared war against Link for several reasons:

1) they asked jony to help kill AD castle. I have publicly stated that we war all who work with jony. doesnt matter what ur lvl or castle is.

2) They attacked ally AD after laying low for several weeks. in fact there wasnt any link around except Blackdude2 and tanis (timeconsum too but he was temp other clan). I respect these players hugely for keeping playing and stick with tbeir clan.
Now that link git their free untouchable lv1500 castles suddenly theres lots of old and new links again. including existing (respected) enemies like Insiders. first thing they do is attack AD because they know Mike has left and Isoril is raw. this is the type of bullying/ powe abuse I dislike.

3) I have been trying and suggesting many ways to rezolve the link vs AD war and tbe lv1500castle situation. I did the same when building limits and buildibg resources were introduced. link always refuced to compromise on anything. links compound power was more important tban anything including the game. i dont like this rype of behaviour and dobt like being ignored.
And no clan should be allowed to be that cocky or powerfull.

4) During other raw wars like rhe grim war or jony killing raw towers i have asked help from other clans and specificly magix. Link never once helped. AD did.

5) raws first city was at bottom clan map in left botyom corner. it was protected by godz towers. magix asked me to sell one raw tower so loyl could have a tower there. I did so. when godz sold its towers suddenly AHOU castles apeared there and later our farms were killed. basicly AHOU took our compound. and we all know who duke of AHOUwas/is.

6) when jony blocked spawn magix asked lasstry2 many times to help kill the blocking castle so peple could have access to boss. he asked me to sell a tower for this too.
later he proceded to block all himself using 3 clans (link,ahou, uws) to block all access.

I still like magix and like to grind and talk together. but i realy cant trust him. doing anything to better magix or link I can understand, but as a duke of another clan I cannot accept it. diplomacy and politics need trust and compromise. magix trackrecord inspires no confidence in any of those 2.

there are still players in link who i like, respect andconsider friends.I will return dropped gear to those if they do the same. they include the players i mentioned before.

1) wrong! Jony asked me to help him attack DR, not AD. As answered, Insiders attacked AD and jony joined the attack.

2) wrong! AD declared war on Link, and the war was never over. Yes, some members left clan, others not very active, but nothing to do with Mike leaving or staying... Mike did not play already for a while anyway, and ricky was using char...Isoril move to raw is not for me to discuss, it is his choice to be in any clan he wants. And what a level of a castle has to do with this?

3) yes, u have, however most of your suggestions came as complaints/moaning about or castles. When we had 40% of the map and the biggest camp on game, there was always something someone would complain about. Of course when rules change and new measures are in place you fight for what you have. You would do exactly the same for your clan as I did for mine. And don't take me wrong, I still respect you no matter how p* off you are atm, as I know you, irrelevant of the situation at hand.

4) Right. I was approached by raw and grim, and as I have friends on both camps, I chose not to betray either. My choice.

5) yes and no. I did approach you to move a tower, as loyl would move one near link and place there. At that time I spoke to ricky and it would be a shuffle. Ahou put the first castle on left most and built the camp there. I even lend gold to lasttry to help build your castle there. At that time lv 125. (You may forgot that, I didn't! ), and you had the one on top protecting ahou, then you sold and we became vulnerable to DR attack, that's when we build the tower in the middle. The farms were attacked by baba as he was killed several times by raw members and got annoyed. I personally did not destroy any raw building. Btw, since I got Link, although grindix was the Duke of ahou, baba was in charge of the clan, so whatever decisions he made I fully supported, even if I did not participated directly.

6) Untrue. Everyone ganged up against jony. Everyone, for various reasons wanted jony out of there. Some because it was blocking the boss dragon, others simply because they hate jony. My issue was mainly with his top castle next to my camp, as at that time mike 'convinced' him to put a castle there as part of Godz tactics to block all entrances to my camp. UWS1 castle was place there to avoid anyone else to populate that area so we could safely attack jony top castle and Godz castle, and then mike sold his castle there when we managed to block that area, and since then as castles would not self attack it was no bother to anyone. I'm surprised you mentioned it, as you never approached me to ask to move or anything like that... and ahou never had any buildings outside the left corner, so what you mean by Link/Ahou/UWS1 ?

As I mentioned above, I have to issues with you or raw personally. And I like that you are passionate about your clan and the game in general. And I like when you question any issues. In this case, however, not knowing or having all the facts made your arguments hollow, and rather than privately ask me or FT what's going on, you chose to try and put others against Link, that was not nice...
Since I got magix char, I liase with FT to open bottom map, helped many clans and players, never started a war, but I will fight for my clan rights, and we will defend ourselves if attacked.
My surprise in your statement against jony ( "you will attack anyone that has jony in the clan"), I did not see raw attacking Godz when Mike had jony is his clan.... so 2 weighs and 2 measures?
And what puzzles me most is that our camp is not near yours, built on BK land, so it seems that the reason for this whole thing is because isoril is your clan now, otherwise you would not have any worries about me or my clan, as if not truly allies, we always been friends or at least neutral clans...

In regards to drops, it's a personal thing. I returned loads of drops to many players, and kept others. I even became outlaw due to the fact that low levels attacked me when I was fighting AD, and even then returned gear.

So in essence, that's that...

[Asmodeous]

1) So in essence it might aswell have been that because jony and insiders launched a attack. You know what Jonys like And Afterall there had been talks with you and Jony. I assume insiders too. Everyone knew when it happened. Other people using alts is pretty funny when it comes to stumbling in on people. Who knows what the talks were entirely about.

2) War was declared. And rea's accounts are pretty correct. Attacks did take place after a while. Off topic of that you were also spotted attempting to take out a godz castle too.

3) Rea has been trying to do a lot. Some things are viewed as conplaining. Sometimes it has to be that way. Sometimes it doesnt. Is it honestly any different from what youve done? You complain plenty magix. I dont think rea would do exactly what you did. Hed find a better way. Plain and simple. It waz more like 60 to 75% of the map by the way. Including your skeleton clans. The 1500 castles everyones conplaining about because everyone sees it as not the greatest descision.

4) Helping one betrays the other. Helping both still betrays both sides. In a previous post you admitted to helping both unofficially. Ive done the same. Ive had days where ive helped protect raw early on in top map and others where ive kept an eye on Grims area. At least this was known though.

5) So being duke of ahou on grindix still puts you in control. Stating you supported whatever happened there means you might aswell have done it yourself. Raw doesnt appear to have been let in to whatever was said to ricky anyway, probably shoulda done that. If they were. Statement retracted. Maybe raw sold because it appeared to be a sudden move in on the area they were in. Maybe it was destroyed. raw would know which one.

6) interesting. Using a skeletal clan to block an area to prevent repopulation of it. Rea does seem to have plenty of content to his arguement. Pulling FT against link? Youve all done that yourselves with those castles. I wont go into forum posts others have brought up....

If your intentions were to truly open up bottom map. You would have done so. You were forced to open up bottom map by loosing your skeleton clans and part of link. If none of that happened. Guaranteed youd have kept your buildings the same.

His statement about Jony was after Jony wasnt in godz. On gear returning. Some people simply dont deserve it based on how they fight. An example that comes to mind. Alt spammers. an example of an honorable enemy clansmen who deserves gear returned. Timeconsum.

Thing is you appear so rediculously self absorbed in this all. Seeing yourself as unable to be wrong in any of this you fail to realise what these new castles are doing after literally being handed them. Never having to go through a building cycle like everyone else.

Its proving a point that you place yourself above your clan. Calling the clans stuff "yours" when its the clans, and yourself and link above FT overall in importance.

People arent randonly turning on you. Your turning them on you with how you act and what youve done. Cant have your cake and eat it or else everyone at your birthday party is gunna hate start to hate you.

[DOOMSDAY]

ROLF! YA'LL COULD JUST HOLD HANDS & HOP & SKIP DOWN THE PATH.

[Asmodeous]

Theres just some people you wouldnt want to do that with xD

[rearrow]

raw has declared war against Link for several reasons:

1) they asked jony to help kill AD castle. I have publicly stated that we war all who work with jony. doesnt matter what ur lvl or castle is.

2) They attacked ally AD after laying low for several weeks. in fact there wasnt any link around except Blackdude2 and tanis (timeconsum too but he was temp other clan). I respect these players hugely for keeping playing and stick with tbeir clan.
Now that link git their free untouchable lv1500 castles suddenly theres lots of old and new links again. including existing (respected) enemies like Insiders. first thing they do is attack AD because they know Mike has left and Isoril is raw. this is the type of bullying/ powe abuse I dislike.

3) I have been trying and suggesting many ways to rezolve the link vs AD war and tbe lv1500castle situation. I did the same when building limits and buildibg resources were introduced. link always refuced to compromise on anything. links compound power was more important tban anything including the game. i dont like this rype of behaviour and dobt like being ignored.
And no clan should be allowed to be that cocky or powerfull.

4) During other raw wars like rhe grim war or jony killing raw towers i have asked help from other clans and specificly magix. Link never once helped. AD did.

5) raws first city was at bottom clan map in left botyom corner. it was protected by godz towers. magix asked me to sell one raw tower so loyl could have a tower there. I did so. when godz sold its towers suddenly AHOU castles apeared there and later our farms were killed. basicly AHOU took our compound. and we all know who duke of AHOUwas/is.

6) when jony blocked spawn magix asked lasstry2 many times to help kill the blocking castle so peple could have access to boss. he asked me to sell a tower for this too.
later he proceded to block all himself using 3 clans (link,ahou, uws) to block all access.

I still like magix and like to grind and talk together. but i realy cant trust him. doing anything to better magix or link I can understand, but as a duke of another clan I cannot accept it. diplomacy and politics need trust and compromise. magix trackrecord inspires no confidence in any of those 2.

there are still players in link who i like, respect andconsider friends.I will return dropped gear to those if they do the same. they include the players i mentioned before.

1) wrong! Jony asked me to help him attack DR, not AD. As answered, Insiders attacked AD and jony joined the attack.

I may have misunderstood here. but its stil joining up w jony. After loosing our approx 12th tower (and hunderds of lv200 walls)tohim last month and all concluding raw war with bk i publicly stated that helping or working with jony will make raw declare war. as will attaching an ally. in the same posts we announced thatvDR and RAW were allies (warcry DRAW;) other allies in coalition GRIM (lol) and AD.


2) wrong! AD declared war on Link, and the war was never over. Yes, some members left clan, others not very active, but nothing to do with Mike leaving or staying... Mike did not play already for a while anyway, and ricky was using char...Isoril move to raw is not for me to discuss, it is his choice to be in any clan he wants. And what a level of a castle has to do with this?

the castles are at such a lvl and type it takes a lv1000 mage 53 days to destroy. it gives one clan a free unasailable base. that is unaccepta
ble. i would have gone to war with anyone if they refuse to compromise here. also you would not hace ghad anything if the castles had still be there or been restored when isoril attacked them. you would have been forced to sell.
I do admire how you pulled this off and had a big laugh about it. but as a duke of another clan I cant let anyone have such power.

3) yes, u have, however most of your suggestions came as complaints/moaning about or castles.


initial reaction. maybe your right.
furter on i thonk iv been very reasonable.

When we had 40% of the map and the biggest camp on game, there was always something someone would complain about. Of course when rules change and new measures are in place you fight for what you have. You would do exactly the same for your clan as I did for mine. And don't take me wrong, I still respect you no matter how p* off you are atm, as I know you, irrelevant of the situation at hand.

I agree on most here. When DR cllaimed blue vlad tower i admired that but still tried to kill. others got a right to it too. As u I am passionate about my clan and will go far for it. but i am even more passionate about ft and making it better. i never border hug but choose to die, i try not to lie. in a slightly similar situation i asked law for gold in clan nstead of replacing a tower because old bug affected tower was bought and new building system was in place.
me nd isoril (in raw) chose not to kill zloy tower or bk towers ,(they had to sell one, so they had similar losses as us). an equal playing field makes the game more fun in my opinion.in all these cases i could have pushed it furter for raw. Iconstantly chhose between best fir ft, best for raw and best for rear. most time thats the order of importance. but initial reaction is always protective of raw.

I still do respect u and admire u. also still call u
friend. we just dont agree on some things. but because of passion regarding clans i would trust u with my swamp helm, but not with things of raw.
iv often staid friends with others when we war . its a game . had many friends in GRIM even when it got vry ugly with its duke. Dino and I stayd friends during war with BK. During DR wars DOOM always staid one of my best friends and most trusted players. even when killing me 10 times a day.


4) Right. I was approached by raw and grim, and as I have friends on both camps, I chose not to betray either. My choice.

Yes.
not a complaint. just contributed to why we choose ADside

5) yes and no. I did approach you to move a tower, as loyl would move one near link and place there. At that time I spoke to ricky and it would be a shuffle. Ahou put the first castle on left most and built the camp there. I even lend gold to lasttry to help build your castle there. At that time lv 125. (You may forgot that, I didn't! ), and you had the one on top protecting ahou, then you sold and we became vulnerable to DR attack, that's when we build the tower in the middle. The farms were attacked by baba as he was killed several times by raw members and got annoyed. I personally did not destroy any raw building. Btw, since I got Link, although grindix was the Duke of ahou, baba was in charge of the clan, so whatever decisions he made I fully supported, even if I did not participated directly.

I only ever was told about loyl. never about ahou.
ahou castle apearing was a big surprise. which i would not haveaccepted. Mike could guarantee loyl behaviour but not AHou. at that time i did not know grindix was u btw. after maiden killed baba , abd he killed our farms he appologised and said he should not have. but he did not remove the new farms and give hours back. so hollow words. U were still duke so u were lulimatelyvresponsible.
ps complicating factor here was that people tended to talk to lasttry2 because of higher lvl and not low lvl duke rearrow. he did/ and dors not want the hassle and responsibolity of being a good duke.

6) Untrue. Everyone ganged up against jony. Everyone, for various reasons wanted jony out of there. Some because it was blocking the boss dragon, others simply because they hate jony. My issue was mainly with his top castle next to my camp, as at that time mike 'convinced' him to put a castle there as part of Godz tactics to block all entrances to my camp. UWS1 castle was place there to avoid anyone else to populate that area so we could safely attack jony top castle and Godz castle, and then mike sold his castle there when we managed to block that area, and since then as castles would not self attack it was no bother to anyone. I'm surprised you mentioned it, as you never approached me to ask to move or anything like that... and ahou never had any buildings outside the left corner, so what you mean by Link/Ahou/UWS1 ?

here we do differ.
i clearly remember u asking for lasttry2 help to kill jony castle brcause he is blocking boss. same argument ws mde when u helped me choose the site for the lv125 castle u mentioned. only later more and more link towrrs apeared at places where others had been sold destroyed as result of war. at the end the last access was closed for non link by u building a uws castle when we, dr, mike , doc and others finaly managed to kill the blocking jony casltle.
this uws castle now blocked both boss for all non link and access to our raw castle there (highest kv castle we had). blocking access like that is an act of war.


As I mentioned above, I have to issues with you or raw personally. And I like that you are passionate about your clan and the game in general. And I like when you question any issues. In this case, however, not knowing or having all the facts made your arguments hollow, and rather than privately ask me or FT what's going on, you chose to try and put others against Link, that was not nice...
Since I got magix char, I liase with FT to open bottom map, helped many clans and players, never started a war, but I will fight for my clan rights, and we will defend ourselves if attacked.
My surprise in your statement against jony ( "you will attack anyone that has jony in the clan"), I did not see raw attacking Godz when Mike had jony is his clan.... so 2 weighs and 2 measures?
And what puzzles me most is that our camp is not near yours, built on BK land, so it seems that the reason for this whole thing is because isoril is your clan now, otherwise you would not have any worries about me or my clan, as if not truly allies, we always been friends or at least neutral clans...

I think i have answered most in earlier parts of this answer here. i try to create a balanced ft playing field as well as making raw great. a clan can be great in other things than buildings. reputation is one. and most other clans dukes and many players are friends. only not those who consiously repeatedly betray me or raw. luckily these are not many. hence i often fight friends who are temporary enemies.
I wont deny having Isoril in raw made the decision to go to war easier. but its not the reason. the reason is link not willing to compromise at all for the best of ft and working with jony.
I said i would war anyone who would and so I will.
rear is not strong. my strength lies in being trusted as keeping my word, being regarded as reasonably fair and generally peacefull (DOOM called me ambassador of peace, lol). Im also known to be passionate about raw and ft but impulsive in first reactions on forum.


In regards to drops, it's a personal thing. I returned loads of drops to many players, and kept others. I even became outlaw due to the fact that low levels attacked me when I was fighting AD, and even then returned gear.


yes i just put that in because friends in link were worried they were at war with me now (not a clan issue, personal) I said not to worry about attacking/killing me, have fun with it and that i would return their gear if they dropped.

So in essence, that's that...

now lets have some fun.
war in ft can be fun

still your friend as rearrow
temporary enemy as duke of raw


DRAW DRAW DRAW UR BOAT
RAW GOING AT LINK
WELL BE HAVING A GREAT BALL
THAT IS WHAT I THINK

[Whitestar67]

Rear, it will be my pleasure to fight along side to the end, see you at the finish my lord

[rearrow]

Link now includes jony ssn tiguer, jessielyn, joker. players who are known to break all promises and turn on their suposedfriends.
they are known to agree to return gear and then dont.
also some of them are known to use illegal tactics like borderhugging while killing.

are you trying to selfdestruct here?
Im rapidly loosing all respect for u magix.

and worse I feel sincerely sorry for the link members I do respect and/or still call friend like tanis or arthureld or timeconsum.

[Fairy]

Link now includes jony ssn tiguer, jessielyn, joker. players who are known to break all promises and turn on their suposedfriends.
they are known to agree to return gear and then dont.
also some of them are known to use illegal tactics like borderhugging while killing.

are you trying to selfdestruct here?
Im rapidly loosing all respect for u magix.

and worse I feel sincerely sorry for the link members I do respect and/or still call friend like tanis or arthureld or timeconsum.

Don't forget Blackdude2 lol. And, yeah, FYI, Jessielynn, Joker, and the like of them have created a new clan UF (or something like that, can't recall exactly) Magix being at the helm of affairs, they attack along Jony (LInk). Have seen them killing new players' camps.

[rearrow]

yeah yesterday in link. now in UF. its the same realy. the fact that they were invited shows what link has become. and yes jessielyn was boasting uf and jony killed a lv35 castle. very brave.