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[Arachnia]

About 'last chance': Everyone knows that there have to be 5 mutes before the mute becomes permanent.
Thus, you get lots of chances to alter your language.

Some players don't care about being perm muted, the player who care about it, watch their language in time.

[James142]

lol Arachnia, when I got Rasta from a friend (over a year ago) it was already perm muted, thus I never went through that mute process

[Arachnia]

Lol James, when you got this character from another person, you get it “as is”. You should know that by reading the rules.

To have an unmuted character I recommend to start one on your own.

[Asmodeous]

5 mutes? Then why did the "last chance" thing ever appear? Whats the point in having this then? You can get muted for more than just cursing and some of these things mutes have happened for have been worse.

-Harassing another PC relentlessly whether it be sexual or otherwise.

-Being geberally destructive or blatently bullying someone to the point it causes harm.

These two are far worse than cursing. So if this last chance does exist. Regardless of how the character was received. Still, why not allow it to happen and see if it is a success or failure?

I could understand reasons not to give it. Such as the two mentioned beforehand, and yeah cursing is against the rules. Sure there are children who play this game too. But cursing? In this day and age isnt exactly the sin it was once thought to be. Its pretty minor and yeah it is against the rules, but so are other things people get temporarily jailed for more than 5 times.

Hes only asking for that final chance and really no one has anything to loose out on in this happening except for him. His mute affects no one else but himself. If he values unrestricted communication via public chat as much as other people do he'l stay clean in what he says.

If he doesn't he'l be muted again. Then he'l never be able to get this final chance because as stated. The character is on an as is where is basis when inherrited/gifted/acquired.

[Arachnia]

5 mutes? Then why did the "last chance" thing ever appear? Whats the point in having this then?

True, it happenend from time to time in the past - on a case to case basis, and I have to say, I am not happy with it for the exact reasons that you or any other say now: "But it happened in the past."

You can get muted for more than just cursing and some of these things mutes have happened for have been worse.

-Harassing another PC relentlessly whether it be sexual or otherwise.

-Being geberally destructive or blatently bullying someone to the point it causes harm.

These two are far worse than cursing.

I agree, and believe me, the mute counter was increased more than by 1 in these cases.

The character is on an as is where is basis when inherrited/gifted/acquired.

That is correct - see my comment on it in my previous post.

[James142]

I do know that the way I get the character is the way I get it, but I'm just asking because I'd like unmute so I can talk to everyone, not just on friend list. It'd be better if the friend list size was greatly increased, but thats just my opinion

[Asmodeous]

Case by case basis isnt entirely fair. It never has been. I understand anyone not being happy with "but it happened in the past" i dont agree with that either. If this was also the case too. The account "Mike" shouldve remained muted with a lot of the stuff said on that acc.

It got unmuted. Not too long after it changed hands. Is this his final chance? Because guaranteed his logs wouldve been worse. Id know since half of it was aimed at me on a daily basis when we talked in general. For two years.

Past happenings shouldnt be forgotten. It should be taken into account. But so should being able to give a guy one final shot. Increasing the mute counter doesn't work if theres that "final chance".

What could be done instead is staple rules on how muting goes. Once they hit 4th mute tell them their on their absolute last chance and that any final muting will be reviewed as to what/why it happened. PMs on the forums or an ingame warning on the spot that their on their last chance.

Until something like that happens whats being dangled over a muteds head is the possibilty of a final chance to prove they arent going to mess it up. And if they do. Welp. Their fault.

This is why im for his final chance. Because regardless of whether he gets it. The mute rules need to be stapled and stickied in a thread of their own. How many mutes. Exactly why you can get a mute and what "final chance" consists of.

The last piece you have quoted of my post is taken out of context. If his account has had their final chance under this "final chance system" then he'l need to know probably now.

If not. Then instead of this forum multi-way conversation. Why dont both sides compromise? Unmute for a set period of time. Then remuted, while logs are gone through. Then a verdict. Then revisit it in X period of time without consulting that player to see if he has kept his end of the bargain.

It sounds like a bit of work but it wouldnt really be too much at all. If searching for curse words thats easy as pie.

So o sum up. Regardless of whether this happens or not. Mute rules need to be stickied underneath server/forum rules on the chances and how many times one can be muted etc. People will always read the rules. But people will read a specific stickied rule better.

[MadMikael]

Well if its strict rules you want, we could stop doing a case by case basis of final chances, and just leave the permanent mutes permanent. Its actually a lot of work to go through chat logs and search for cuss words, the system isn't perfect. Would that be best?

[blitzcraig]

Please allow the ol' bee to add my two cents here.

The "last chance" has happened. I would guess that it has happened around 5-8 times. let's look at what I remember about them:

Only one of those was an account that was known to be traded (and I disagreed with it then. I believe that should be a guarantee against a last chance - but that player did help the GM team a bit and received the last chance as a type of reward)

In every case, the recent logs were checked to verify the language has been "clean". If the person is still using inappropriate language, why would the GMs go through the extra work of unmute/remute and allow the players to be subjected to this type of language?

In every case, the 5 mutes were given for cussing. If the player was perm muted for "worse" things, they remained muted.

In every case (I believe, though maybe 1 was not this way) the player had received a "double mute." This is when a GM gives two mutes at once for particularly offensive language. When this happens, the team discusses it afterwards to ensure it was an appropriate action. Sometimes it is decided that one mute would have been sufficient, and the second is removed.

Another thing we had looked at was whether the mutes were given for general inappropriate language, or language directed at another player. This also plays into the decision.

Just thought I'd share a little "behind the scenes" info so you'd know it's not some random, haphazard unmuting

[Asmodeous]

^ that helps plenty. Something explaining mutes. I didnt even know you could get double muted.

Something explaining mutes would be great. Like double mutes. If its possible to go from free chat to perma mute. Or free chat to perma mute/no chances.

And i didnt mean for strict rules MM. A small bit of leeway is always alright. Least of all we become Banites or Tyrans. I dont know how your log system works or how their stored. Probably poor on my end but i assumed the ctrl+f function and a plain text document.

If case by case is seen as too unfair to some. Or searching logs after theyve been given that final chance has been given then yeah, remove it entirely. Or if keeping it detail what final chance means and whats required.

Detailing whats required aswell would also stop threads asking to be unmuted. Or at least a lot of them for those who do read the forums and it might even save a bit of inbox clutter space for more needed things.