mages and pvm.

[rearrow]

thereis a lot of discussion on how to close the power cap between mages and other classes in pvp and weare waiting for the review in september.

But there is also a big difference in pvm.
lately several lv300+ mages have been posting an telling that it takes them about 3 hrs to lvl in the right places. lvl000+ can do it in 2.
when stealing complete spawns they comment that non magesare too slow in killing.

a dwrf might do it in 4 if he got a big auto and there are no stealers. other classes take 10+ hrs .

what makes lvling for non mages even more difficult is that i the right places if u got a big spawn. often a mage will sweep in. kill everythibg fast with green flow and kill ur autospawn.

tbh there are many mages who do not do this. and some who help by healing. but the fact is that they can.

lvling twice to 5 times as fast, no delayed skills on entering maps, loger range weapon and being able to kill complete spawns in seconds.
mages are also hugely overpowered in pvm.

or more precise. the green flow spell is.

origonally i think it was intended to let magessurvive at low lvls. but at lv200+ it becomes far too powerfull
. i suggest making it use a percentage of total manna or put it on a timer like skills. or cap its dmg.

[ayZuse]

Dwarfs lvl just as fast if not faster than mages. At a high lvl. All onther classes get skills to help them lvl as where mages get spells but sacrifice slots on there bag to ba able to use them.

It was said before that mages loosing slots was they way of balancing mages being OP. Every other class can carry 20 pots in a bag no problem.

Now my qurstion is with new update in September. Supposed to make all classes EQUAL in pvp. Do mages get extra slots in there bags for loosing slots to be able to attack?

[Insider]

Archer 1500 - 5-8 hours depending on monster. But i agree that mages are much stronger in both PvP and PvM. Current formulas were made when mana could over. On 500+ it takes rather long, and on 1500+ its veery hard.
2013 - mage has high damage but have to wait for mana.
2015 - mage has extremely high damage and dont have to wait for it.

Thats why they are OP now. These formulas will be changed in Autumn update, im 99% sure. Be patient!

[solsukut]

Archer 1500 - 5-8 hours depending on monster. But i agree that mages are much stronger in both PvP and PvM. Current formulas were made when mana could over. On 500+ it takes rather long, and on 1500+ its veery hard.
2013 - mage has high damage but have to wait for mana.
2015 - mage has extremely high damage and dont have to wait for it.

Thats why they are OP now. These formulas will be changed in Autumn update, im 99% sure. Be patient!

I've volunteered as a mod/designer and run my own pen-paper RPG for over 20 years. Its difficult to work game balance, risk-reward (to keep player interest), story-line, and then add PvP...i don't envy the task the GM/Mod's have here (plus offline version control...).
At least pen-paper when you make a house rule that screws up game balance there are only a few people to deal with, and no coding to fix it or change it back. . Adding in skills etc even with someone good with excel and formulas (plus some statistics background) its very hard to come up with 1 size fits all. top that with human nature, which is somewhat selfish and entitlement oriented, you're always going to have a unhappy "customer". People who invested 100's of hours in mages under the current code are going to be really upset that something has been taken away....subconsciously some will feel its owed to them. Not all...but some.

Good luck!

[rearrow]

yeah afraid of tat too.

most high lvls who spend much money are mages.

but also the are already saying that war and destruction of towers is the only fun they have. and with war they often seem to mean slaughtering much lower lvls without much effort.
wining a battle between equals is much more rewarding in my opinion.

anyway. all classes should have equal chances in battles. if ur rich shouldnt influeance that. just like sex, race , occupation or age shouldnt.
if u spend $1000+ on an alt in a game under development, thats ur choice. if u can do that u miss that money less then us who struggle to pay just their normal internet subscription.

[DOOMSDAY]

Just play arch lvl 0-60 HANDS DOWN WINS PVP. Care less about the rest. It is so much fun watchin mods tryin to merk me on alts. Lag is their best shot. Funny I spent 3k & then turned around to play low lvls questing & of course pvp.
Tbh DOOM has alot more fun helping new players & waiting on that occasional mage to kill. Tanking for ppl w/DOOMSDAY & getting .erked by high lvl plyr is satisfiying as well. DOOMBOTS WILL NOT STOP KILLING HIGHER LVL ACCOUNTS THOUGH. Just to proove a point.
ARCHERS RULE SUCKAS!

[rearrow]

yeah low lvl archers rule

[Eclipse]

yeah afraid of tat too.

most high lvls who spend much money are mages.

but also the are already saying that war and destruction of towers is the only fun they have. and with war they often seem to mean slaughtering much lower lvls without much effort.
wining a battle between equals is much more rewarding in my opinion.

anyway. all classes should have equal chances in battles. if ur rich shouldnt influeance that. just like sex, race , occupation or age shouldnt.
if u spend $1000+ on an alt in a game under development, thats ur choice. if u can do that u miss that money less then us who struggle to pay just their normal internet subscription.

Seems I am being alluded to! Rearrow, before spreading false propagandas about me having solely fun by killing and slaughtering players, buildings, let's face the facts.

Rash has never attacked any low level clans. Rash is only at war with Raw, Dr, Trio, Legend, 7Ds. None of these clans are weak. None of these clans have low level buildings.

Rash has never abused/exploited any bug. Rash dies but cuss none. I got a bundle of screen shots wherein I was abused by Raw members but none of them I reported. Was struck deeply by woe? Cool, isn't it?

Rash has lost 4 towers to Raw, DR & c. We did not kill any yet, of course we try our best. And at the moment, in Rash camp, there is a huge tower of DR which we cannot kill at the moment.

It was Raw, DR who killed a level 350 castle of a peaceful player, Kulgan, [CG] This clan was craft oriented, has never attacked anyone but as Maiden said, "I want war cause I am bored" so they are attacked and humiliated.

As for Jony, SSN, they are not allowed to attack any friendly clan, except the afore mentioned clans. If they do, I kick them. I am not a cruel despot as "some" are; I am not Link, as you have wrongly assumed.

With that, my argument comes to an end. I don't want to be a forum fighter. Feel free to voice your imagination.

To the topic, yes mages kill faster, but it is a pain to wait for mana regeneration. This regen time may equal the gap between mage and other classes.

[blitzcraig]

about mage pvm, I'm so hoping that dex will eventually reduce damage the same way it does in pvp... then we would have a limiting factor to set stats with

[rearrow]

yeah afraid of tat too.

most high lvls who spend much money are mages.

but also the are already saying that war and destruction of towers is the only fun they have. and with war they often seem to mean slaughtering much lower lvls without much effort.
wining a battle between equals is much more rewarding in my opinion.

anyway. all classes should have equal chances in battles. if ur rich shouldnt influeance that. just like sex, race , occupation or age shouldnt.
if u spend $1000+ on an alt in a game under development, thats ur choice. if u can do that u miss that money less then us who struggle to pay just their normal internet subscription.

Seems I am being alluded to! Rearrow, before spreading false propagandas about me having solely fun by killing and slaughtering players, buildings, let's face the facts.

Rash has never attacked any low level clans. Rash is only at war with Raw, Dr, Trio, Legend, 7Ds. None of these clans are weak. Nonef these clans have low level buildings.

Rash has never abused/exploited any bug. Rash dies but cuss none. I got a bundle of screen shots wherein I was abused by Raw members but none of them I reported. Was struck deeply by woe? Cool, isn't it?

Rash has lost 4 towers to Raw, DR & c. We did not kill any yet, of course we try our best. And at the moment, in Rash camp, there is a huge tower of DR which we cannot kill at the moment.

It was Raw, DR who killed a level 350 castle of a peaceful player, Kulgan, [CG] This clan was craft oriented, has never attacked anyone but as Maiden said, "I want war cause I am bored" so they are attacked and humiliated.

As for Jony, SSN, they are not allowed to attack any friendly clan, except the afore mentioned clans. If they do, I kick them. I am not a cruel despot as "some" are; I am not Link, as you have wrongly assumed.

With that, my argument comes to an end. I don't want to be a forum fighter. Feel free to voice your imagination.

To the topic, yes mages kill faster, but it is a pain to wait for mana regeneration. This regen time may equal the gap between mage and other classes.

ok one last remark.

1) i didnt mention u . its a comment made by several.high lvl mages. but u did say in a forum comment that war was the only fun for a high lvl.
i quote " for higher lvls the only source of fun is war, clan war in this game " you said that recently in upcomming changes topic.

The start a war because im bored thing is a general.problem with high lvl mages. this includes both my enemies as my allies, friends and foes.

2) we werent even at war with rash for a long time. we liked rash and actually helped them build and get started.we defenfed their first castle.
w liked rash. but Eclipse in rash started helping Jony killing towers from many clans. Jony killing and Eclipse or ssn healing him.
hell i even got screenshots of u discussing tactics w jony and ssn.
we were extremely surprised that Eclipse was and stayd in rash. we talked to rash about that but he wasnt kicked. even then weonly went to war on rash when they also let jony and ssn in.


Our beef is not with rash. its with Jony. ssn and now u too.
immediately after u traded accounts and got Eclipse u started helping Jony with killing towers of many different clans. this was before u joined rash. when u became rash u continued helping jony (who was not rash) killing towers.

3) at wars start our high lvls refrainrd from.killing low lvls as we were realy warring jony ssn and u.
but u and jony just killed all raw so we started to do the same. however i still grind together with rash members too. yesterday happely grinding with 2 rash. mikecomes in and skull. u fid the same.we talking 1400 lvls lower

4) jony has been in and out rash repeatedly killing others. he also killed 4 of our cities with ssn . lately u helping him . that was befote he became rash.
we love our battles with him and so does he.werespect eachother, are friended and talk a lot.
but he never pretends he does not kill innocents or out of war, like u seem to do.
ps he has also been.in raw, but he was a bit uncontrollable lol.

5)
I regret sanctioning killing the CG tower. i have been away and it being positioned to protect rash I thought it was ine of the many temp 'jony clans'.
i will help cg rebuild after the wars ended.